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Nintendo Revolution: What we know

Nintendo Revolution

Alright, Nintendo intro’d the Revolution just a few minutes ago, here’s what we know so far:

  • Release is sometime in 2006.
  • Prototype shown is larger than final unit.
  • Nintendo is still determining final colors for the console.
  • All-Access Gaming, which refers to backwards compatibility to 20 years of Nintendo games, NES, SNES, N64. We don’t know particulars of how it’ll be accessed or what, if any, the cost structure might be.
  • Downloadable to 512MB of flash memory.
  • SD memory card slot.
  • Wireless controllers.
  • Two USB 2.0 ports.
  • Built-in WiFi.
  • WiFi used to interface with the DS.
  • DS likely to enhance future games.
  • Self-loading optical drive that will play 12cm Revolution discs and smaller GameCube discs
  • Self-contained attachment for playing media content, including DVDs.
  • No controller was shown. So even though the box looks a lot like the one leaked over the weekend, the accompanying controllers were not presented. So was it a leak, or a really good guess?

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1. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:23 PM ET by matt

transparent purple. i'd buy one.

2. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:24 PM ET by sin

I think it looks the best out of the three consoles, it has style

3. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:26 PM ET by wizard

The Revolution is without a doubt the best looking console... too bad their games won't be.

4. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:27 PM ET by ezKiel

agreed. nice clean style. xbox and ps3 are rguable though I would have to say skins for the xbox give it an edge over ps3's

5. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:27 PM ET by Urban

am i the only one that thinks the 360 is the best looking?

6. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:27 PM ET by btmnky

#3, why will the games not be the best? Because they don't have the most brilliantly amazing graphics? Quite a shallow comment.

7. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:28 PM ET by PS3RULEZ


8. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:28 PM ET by flash boredom

No more purple! Please!

9. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:28 PM ET by mehool

holy chow! Backwards compatibility! finally! 2 player contra 1 here I come! Up up down down left right left right BA select start

10. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:29 PM ET by Dmitri

I honestly dont care how the console looks really. Right now, Im going for a PS3. 1, no reason for my PS2 games to go to waste and 2, it seems to be the most powerful. Now I dont want a stupid arguement like ive been seeing all over the forums. This is just my personal opinion.

11. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:30 PM ET by Spiral Stairs

It appears to use some sort of tractor beam to draw CDs from the air into its slot. Cool.

12. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:31 PM ET by chaosadept


It's all good........

13. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:31 PM ET by Et Tu


It's time for school, you don't want to be late now young man.

14. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:35 PM ET by lupinstel

"Self-contained attachment for playing media content, including DVDs" what exactly does that mean? To play DVD's you connect an external DVD drive to it? That isn't too impressive.

15. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:35 PM ET by hue

so how powerfull is it?
is it going to be at least as powerful as the xbox 360?
is it even going to be on par to the ps3?

whats so revolutionary? the backwards game compatible with old nes games is kinda lame....more like a gimmick.

what are you doing nintendo...your gonna go the way of sega if you dont start kicking some ass

16. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:35 PM ET by dvdfilterdave

The PS3's cell processor sounds like it will best both the 360 and Revolution. It will be an interesting battle for the #1 position.

17. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:39 PM ET by hue

its very clear now that the ps3 is by far the best new console by a long shot.

18. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:44 PM ET by hue

microsoft thought they had the best new system until they saw the ps3...they have to kicking themselves in the ass right now.

whats up with them launching the xbox360 before e3? idiots.
now they look like amatures next to sony.

i hope nintendo can pull it together soon, they must also be kicking themselves over the ds.

19. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:45 PM ET by G1ZM0

But what does the controller look like?

20. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:45 PM ET by Dean

I guess it dont really matter, the harder they try the more we win, lower prices, and better features...most real gamers will buy all three, for one reason...THE GAMES and ONLINE systems. I dont care wwhos name is on it, just make it good.

P.S Sony's CPU specs are deceptive, these are the same people who said their 20GB HD can hold a lot more than Apple's 20GB HD.....

21. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:47 PM ET by SCS


DS is outselling PSP

22. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:48 PM ET by DannyMac

Well, it's not all about the processing power. As in 5-6 years, we'll get another NEW generation of gaming platforms with even more power. The Revolution has enough power to play any games the other two consoles have.

As for the revolutionary factor, that's obviously in the controllers. Too bad they didn't show them! >:(

23. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:48 PM ET by Goon Sir

"No controller was shown. So even though the box looks a lot like the one leaked over the weekend, the accompanying controllers were not presented. So was it a leak, or a really good guess?"

Just so you know, the Mac Mini like fake was in fact a photoshop of the Mac Mini.

24. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:54 PM ET by FF

So, what's "revolutionary" about this? Did I miss something?

25. Posted May 17, 2005, 2:54 PM ET by PRAE

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

a quick prayer for nintendo


i was in all honestly hoping nintendo would steal E3 by showing something along the lines of the Nintendo ON mock up . that holy grail of 21st century VR married with new display mechanics . possibly the co announcement of a true successor to GBA . the EVOLUTION + REVOLUTION . i wanted it to be
action packed . i have faith that the once the rest of the
"puzzle" as iwata-sama mentioned is revealed nintendo will
have introduced a new era of gaming . or so i prae .

as for aesthetics . i own all current systems . will repeat next
generation . but i still hate the "xbox brand" the most . i was impressed by the sony tech demos . but hope for nintendo to really shock and awe with innovation .
i feel the design of the REV- is better than the others although
i'm worried it's form factor will limit power -
PS3 spiderman logotype is a typographic abomination
360 . DOA4 looks crisp . a little better than current gen .
but j.allard get's me heated . http://www.geekonstun.com/mt/archives/hd_allard_050605.html .
hold me down .

26. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:00 PM ET by D

C'mon, people. This Revolution looks VERY ordinary. It's the worst design of the three consoles. The PS3 and the 360 are pretty cool-looking even though one inhales and the other looks like a refrigerator.

27. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:03 PM ET by bluflame

the revolution is in the controllers. wait, and be patient. go to http://www.e3insider.com for the latest "true" news. it is something so dynamic that it is taking freakin forever!!!!lol don't forget to be patient. HURRY UP FREAKIN NINTENDO... i think that the sony ps3 is the coolest design so far but i am not betraying nintendo...

28. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:17 PM ET by GamerHeaven

Well as I said in the recent comments, smart work by Nintendo.

They weren't ready and instead of rushing things threw one little bone (full backward) that's nearly as big as the graphical upgrades seen elsewhere.

They have simple kept in the race, given suppiers a huge future selling point (in those early pre order ads), and are now set to properly reveal the Revolution at E3 next year - all to themselves.

Keep in the game but let the other two fight, keeps Nintendo safe and set for a great new console.

29. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:25 PM ET by A Guy

Yes its a good looking console and not too slow, but they've already shot themselves in the foot using non-standard discs :(

30. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:25 PM ET by SpaceZ

If i remember reading the leaks/speculations/patents, the Revolution is supposed to come out with some very interesting controller (with touch screen or some bizarre thing where you can configure the controller, similar to the DS), a new way to interact with the game as opposed to the same old ABXY, square-circle-star-blahblahblahb buttons.

I think thats why we don't see the controller.

As for design, the minimal look ooooooze sleakness. I have an xbox and the 360 just look ugly.

31. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:26 PM ET by Kroc Camen

This gives me faith in the failing game industry *thumbsup*

I was unable to believe the PS3 could actually be that damn ugly, bad font, bad design - everything so wrong. All the talk so far with the announcement of xBox and PS3 has been the specs and nothing else what so ever! Greif, I've got 70 PS1 games that are "must own" good but I'd be hard pushed to name 5 for PS2 or 1 for xBox.

I am literally hoping that this little machine is going to "do a Google" and turn around the minds of the likes of EA and the sell-out crew.

32. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:42 PM ET by Dmitri

May I remind everyone that in the press conference, nintendo did not want to reveal anything having to do with the new controllers. All they said was that they would be extremely unique (No, not unique as in a banana like PS3). But, I wonder, how long til anyone finds out about the real controllers.

33. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:48 PM ET by pOThOLDERS

maaan, if this thing's only three times more powerful than the gamcube, i truly feel sorry for all the nintendo fanboys that were raving about the "revolution!". i love my xbox, but i was secretly rooting for the ps3, but jeez looeez that thing looks like one of my ex-girlfriends. ugly!

34. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:48 PM ET by j.bellone

I don't know; Nintendo probably shouldn't have brought anything about their new console to E3 if they weren't going to show everything. I don't think the console is done, which is precisely the reason why Nintendo isn't saying a word. They have also stated that the design is a prototype, and the colors will be changing. So why show it?

They should focus on their current generation of games--we still don't have an adequate Mario game--instead of following the suit of Sony and Microsoft. They are ready, Nintendo is not.

Sony's console is most likely just as powerful as they are saying, but you shouldn't expect this thing to be fully utilized until the second or third generation of games (i.e. probably at least a year and a half from launch). Of course in real time terms the console will be limited by the display it is connected to, and the game factors.

But the fact is: the current generation Microsoft's console is the clear cut most powerful console, and it shows. But Nintendo does not need to match the power, all they need to do is what they do best, create games for the 8-15 year old crowd.

35. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:48 PM ET by Mark

What about virtual boy games? :(

36. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:49 PM ET by pOThOLDERS

p.s. nintendo does have the better looking system of the three.

37. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:51 PM ET by Will Millar

>So even though the box looks a lot like the one
>leaked over the weekend, the accompanying
>controllers were not presented.
Can someone send me a link to this photo or story? I've looked all over Engadget.

Now let me say that I am NOT a fanboy. I own all 3 consoles and love them all. I will most likely end up with all 3 of the next-gen consoles.

Wow. I think this is the greatest console I've ever *seen*. Runner-up is the 360. PS3 doesn't even count. I is the ugliest console I've ever *seen*. It looks like a bloated, silver, VCR with "Spiderman" typeface. I agree with the previous comment that it's a "typographical abomination". And don't even get me started on that poor excuse for a controller. However nothing I've said so far relates to what matters.

38. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:55 PM ET by vakerorokero

"lupinstel: "Self-contained attachment for playing media content, including DVDs" what exactly does that mean? To play DVD's you connect an external DVD drive to it? That isn't too impressive."

Oh my god, do you even understand english??
CLEARLY SAYS AN "Self-contained attachment" I don't how some understands "adding another drive to play dvds"... dumbass.

about the revolution, Nintendo is probably holding to relase any info until Sony and Microsoft set a date and A Price which will be the main factor to consider. Everyone thinks Sony is going from $300 to $600 but like the Ps2 is going to be $299 and be released in November in Japan and next year over here. microsoft is going for a october launch around the world for $250 (or less). Nintendo is gonna use Zelda for Sony's launch and Gameboy Micro for Xbox 360 launch. after that is gonna use a console it can sell for $199 with the main feature the controller. And its going to be Nintendo Biggest launch ever. I guess...

39. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:55 PM ET by Digi Smalls

one thing's for certain. not many will wait through both 360 and ps3 to get the Revolution.

its size, its philosophy (as innovative as it may turn out to be), and its lateness will ensure its place NEXT to everybody's conventional 'real game system'; as bad as that sounds. Nintendo has made a NintenDOG of itself.

40. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:56 PM ET by Max Tipper

Looks awesomeeee. Nintendo have done themselves proud here. Hopefully with an adult design they may be able to make some adult games. That blue neon is so cool!

The problem is that buying the PS3 is a safe buy. You know that it will have all the big developers behind it and that 99% of the games released will be avaliable on it. I doubt the revouloution will have the power to match the PS3 but am not ruling it out yet, come on give em a chance the specs haven't even been released yet!

The didn't give much away though and hopefully it is fully internet enabled. The other problem is the PS3 and the X360 have blu-ray and hd-dvd respectivly what does revoultion have? In 3 years time DVDs may be outdated and useless, whichever DVD format wins could decide this whole console war.

I'm not too impressed by this though, "Self-contained attachment for playing media content, including DVDs." So no DVD playback out of the box?! All the other consoles had this last time round!

41. Posted May 17, 2005, 3:56 PM ET by j.bellone

Wow I can't believe you people actually think that thing looks good. Its the same color scheme as the Playstation 2, and it looks like a box with a CD slot in it. I agree that the Playstation 3 and the Xbox360 don't look great either; but damn, this has to be the worst design in a console case I've ever seen.

What did they do, wait a week before E3 and tell a few modellers to "give me a simple box that loads horizontal?" No wonder why its a "prototype" and is not the "final color choice" both are horrid and Nintendo knows this. Expect it to be some random color of the rainbow.

42. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:03 PM ET by Monmin

I'm an xbox fan. However, it is clear the PS3 is going to be the most powerful system. Technically its hardware beats 360 in pretty much everyway.

My guess is that the 360s user interface will be a more cohesive, streamlined experience than the PS3. I don't believe that Sony can beat MS in the software department. Although at this point it's just a guess. I will need to sit down with both systems and see for myself.

Now that I have admitted, as an xbox fan, that the PS3 hardware is better than the 360, let me point this out. Some of the specs for the PS3 don't make sense. For instance, 7 wireless controllers. How do you do a 7 way split screen? Sure it's possible but its certainly awkward. How about 3 gigabit ethernet ports on the back? Yeah, there might be a theoritical reason to have 3, but come on now really. Who's going to use 3 ports? If they really have 802.11 built in then you should only need one port - maybe 2 but not 3.

Furthermore, do you need 2 HDMI? How many people are realistically going to have 2 tvs with HDMI inputs? Who has a setup like that? Yes, I know some people do - but I don't and most of you don't.

Some of you are probably saying if Sony wants to add all that stuff who cares? As long as the price is at parity with the xbox more is better.

What I'm getting at though, is that the PS3 seems like an ill concieved product. It contains features the vast majority of users will never use. It's a victim of feature creep. I believe this is what Peter during the 360 presentation was hinting at when he was describing the 'zen' of gaming. Hitting the sweet spot. Only include the features that the majority of people will actually use.

I fear that the design decisions that led to the PS3s odd choice of hardware specs may have affect on other parts of the system as well. I expect to see a UI with a set of hopelessly confusing options and sub options - menus that go on forever. Online play that does more than you ever wanted but not exactly what you did want.

The overall experience of using a PS3 will not be as rewarding as using the 360 despite the PS3s hardware superiority!

Whew, I'm done. sorry for the rant.

43. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:08 PM ET by LaserBeams

This thing looks like it would fit in a standard PC drive bay... I wouldn't be at all unhappy if that were the case. :)

44. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:13 PM ET by Edwin Avalos

Omg its gorgeous i cant spell so im not sure if thats how you spell it :/ im so buying one

45. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:15 PM ET by Mr.Blonde

remember, it's only a prototype.

(they changed the ds they can chane the revolution as well)

46. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:16 PM ET by mike

for the record.. don't expect Nintendo to launch AFTER PS3.. it should launch about the same time as PS3... Nintendo is obsessed with launching before/or at the same time as Sony. They hate what happened w the Gamecube (no offense, they don't really care about MS's money pit...) in regards to Sony..

47. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:20 PM ET by bob

maybe this thing can fit into a 5.25 inch drive compartment of a PC

48. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:21 PM ET by ShiroX

Monmin I think you hit the nail on the head. What good is all those features if no one or a very very small percentage of the market is going to. I rather have the few things that I want rather then have many things that I'll never use. AND what's up with the bloated design of the PS3. Nasty! and those controlers?? I have big hands but those things look like slippery silver bananas. How the heck are you going to hold on to those things??

49. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:25 PM ET by firesign

Personally, I can't wait to see what the Revolution can do. I think all the nexgen consoles are pretty amazing from what I've seen so far. I currently own a PS2, an Xbox, and a Gamecube (as well as a DS and a PSP). I have no doubt that I will buy all three of the nexgens also. I started in the days of PONG and Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 1s (yeah I'm old). You can argue all you want about who has what edge over who and what system ownz the others. Me? I'll just sit back and enjoy them.

50. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:28 PM ET by Bleep

It's a free country and all and I respect your opinions. Here's mine: wow, the Revolution's design is boring. Of the three console designs, Nintendo's is clearly the weakest. It's not exactly ugly, but it's close. The PS3 looks like something you find in the kitchen and the Revolution looks like a cheap CD player. I dunno, I think the Xbox 360 looks the coolest. Now specs-wise, the Sony is the most impressive, but knowing them, I am extremely skeptical about how much of this is the truth. We'll see a year from now. The 360 still impresses and it's mostly here now for us to look at. Mostly (Aliens). I also am looking forward to 360 games. Quake 4 and Ghost Recon 3, to name a few, look UNBELIEVABLE. I think those two alone are Halo killers. Bungie really needs to step up, as much as I loved Halo 2. Advice to Microsoft: let Bungie have the time to do Halo 3 right or the fanboys will never forgive you.

51. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:32 PM ET by Jeff

"For instance, 7 wireless controllers. How do you do a 7 way split screen?"

Not every game requires split-screen to play cooperatively. Bombastic, for example, has five-player multiplayer on one screen. Almost every sports game can get away with two-way split screen for up to eight players (and this has been done many times).

"How about 3 gigabit ethernet ports on the back? Yeah, there might be a theoritical reason to have 3, but come on now really. Who's going to use 3 ports? If they really have 802.11 built in then you should only need one port - maybe 2 but not 3.

Furthermore, do you need 2 HDMI? How many people are realistically going to have 2 tvs with HDMI inputs?"

There is clearly more to the PS3 than Sony is so far letting on.

Let's link all your questions together:

7 player multiplayer, 3 ethernet connections, 2 TV's. One system. Hmmmm. I'll let your brain fry itself over the possibilities that brings up.

(Here's a hint: 2 football teams playing the same game on 2 separate TV's, each with their own view of the action away from the other - so no cheating. Add online into the mix for a full 11 on 11 free-for-all with combined mixed online and on-site teams, all on one system.)

52. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:34 PM ET by Nicholas

I'm pretty sure I have the controller figured out: http://infendo.blogspot.com/2005/05/gameboy-micro.html

I think Revolution has a double meaning. I.e. the revolutions of a gyroscope.

53. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:37 PM ET by Nicholas

Woops, how embarrasing. Wrong link...

Controller Figured out:

54. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:38 PM ET by Will Millar

#45: If you're suggesting that the GameBoy Micro is going to be the controller for the Revolution, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Nintendo already made an announcement that the Revolution contoller wont have a D-Pad or A and B buttons (the GB Micro has both).

55. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:40 PM ET by Will Millar

Nicholas: Woops! Scratch that!

56. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:41 PM ET by Bryan

You know, it's fair enough everyone has their views and all, but all these comments slagging it off already.

... and all we've seen are a FEW snapshots!

It just goes to show it doesn't really matter what Nintendo does, some people are just there to slam on the company no matter what.

57. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:42 PM ET by Jay

I really want to know what the controller is gonna look like, I hope Nintendo can pull their shit together real soon. Is there gonna be a harddrive? doesnt look like thiers room in their for one?


58. Posted May 17, 2005, 4:52 PM ET by Belgand

For me it isn't about the power of the system or the way it looks (I personally like this prototype the best, but they all look pretty good/average to me) the important thing about a system is the games.

This is what led me to buy a Gamecube after sitting out of the previous generation of consoles in favor of PC-only gaming. Nintendo has a lock on some very strong franchises that remain very popular and tends to also get it's fair share of the multi-system games. Right now the Gamecube has some top-notch games: Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros., Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda (the new one and Wind Waker), Mario Kart, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes. A quick look over my game library shows that just about everything in it is a Gamecube exclusive.

That's what is really going to matter in the future. Not what the system looks like, not whether it can push out the best graphics, but what games are going to be available for it. I admit, I sometimes wish I had a PS2 because there are some really great games out for it (Katamari Damacy I want you so badly), but the XBox at present loses out very easily to my PC for the very few games I might have bought for it and thus tends to fail this test.

In short this is all speculation. There will not be a "winner" to the next generation until the software starts coming out and we finally know where the really great games are going to be.

59. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:02 PM ET by PrettyObvious

Nintendo is already too late. By pulling this weak display (and at E3 for that matter!) they have already lost a huge amount of hype compared to Microsoft and Sony. The first next gen system is coming out this Nov. At this point the 360 has the jump much like PS2 did by launching a year early.

PS3 looks incredible and will debut next year. How in the hell does Nintendo expect to compete with both these 2 giants? especially when hearing that the Revolution is just 2 to 3 times as powerful as the Gamecube. By comparison 360 is 10 to 15 times more powerful than the Xbox and PS3 is 30 times more powerful then PS2.

Theres no amount of innovation that can make up for this lack of hardware. Im not buying a next gen system to play N64, Snes and NES games either. Very dissapointing

60. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:16 PM ET by wizard

#7 - It has nothing to do with graphics, Nintendo doesn't have the 3rd party support it needs to match up to Sony and MS. Their 1st party games are great but not enough to carry the console past the other two. You can only squeeze so much out of Mario.

61. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:41 PM ET by Monmin

Hey Jeff,

You can already play multiplay games with more than 4 people. It's called a LAN party. All you need is a way to connect your system onto the LAN. Up till now it's been a perfectly acceptable solution.

You will probably say, 'but this is better because more people can play on any one system. You won't need to link as many systems together to get the same number of people playing'.

My response to that is - big deal - I never even knew that was a problem that needed to be solved. The current model works fine - if you want more players link more consoles. Nobody was complaining about that.

62. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:51 PM ET by Kaine260

Check this out about the Nintendo Revolution. I know it could be a fake but still interesting to see. http://xeniac.com/xeniac/NintendoON.wmv, I can not tell if it is a fake or not.


63. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:56 PM ET by Mike

Actually I like all 3 console designs. Each one is unique and don’t resemble 'kiddy gear'. I do think XBOX will have a big advantage releasing their console first. I can’t see a gamer waiting thru the winter and early spring months while XBOX releases beautiful looking games like perfect dark and Unreal. I do have a sneaking suspicion that if Sony sees high 360 sales they will move up the release date leaving Nintendo the last to the game. It sad but with Nintendo not even finished with the final design and no controller pic I fear the worst. Also with a rehashed GBA and not a graphically enhanced version to counter the psp I feel Nintendo drop the ball. If I was Nintendo I would speed up development of Revolution, Stop development of the new Zelda for gamecube and release the revolution in late November with Zelda ‘enhanced’ version. Now that’s a bundle I would buy.

64. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:56 PM ET by Finishing.Law.School

I want my a55 crack to glow blue like that!

65. Posted May 17, 2005, 5:58 PM ET by let me lie

I agree, I like the simplistic monolithic design of the Revo over the ps3 and 360. Kind of hope they keep it, but a small design feature here and there could liven it up a bit. But i prefer the sleekness of the ps3 over the cheap looking pasty whiteness of the 360. it does remind you of a dell optiplex (shudders)...

another big thing that microsoft has against them that sony and ninten have is something that will a bigger issue later on: portability. Both sony and nintend have the capability of continuing the entertainment experience outside the living room, with the PSP and the DS. The 360 is limited to the moment u turn it on, and the moment you turn it off. In this world of fast-paced society, not everyone has time to f' around for hours configuring a character. It'd be awesome to start a configuration or something, then go to Panera bread with a hot spot, whip out your DS or PSP and connect Wi-Fi to your Revo or your your PS3, and finish your character. The

66. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:00 PM ET by GamerHeaven


And you actually buy that rubbish spin, now as an old gamer and not really in touch with this leet business / net talk I'll reluctantly do this ... lol, possibly even rofl.

Just cast your mind back 6 years when Sony told us the PS2 could push 100 Million Polys - I bought my PS2 and when I actually played a game the thing could barely manage 6 Million.

It's easy to clock a chipset doing massive things in various test simulations, but actually doing that in a game, running complex AI, bump mapping, particle effects, lighting (etc's) that performace drops right off.

On the other hand Nintendo announced the Cube's performance and it looked crap compared to the PS2 as they used real time clocking - just look how things turned out. The Cube had easily surpassing power.

Comment when you see the actual system running, people in the know (i.e. have actually seen the performance) state it to be a 360 killer.

Give it time instead of letting your Nintendo hatred fog your vision!

67. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:07 PM ET by Matt

The control my best bet will be one were you slide it on to your had and it will act on your hand movments

68. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:08 PM ET by Digital Ruse


First, let me help your link:



I don't know what to think about that system that they show in the video. Agreed, I cannot tell if it is fake or not, but it seems a little outrageous.


I am uncertain of what to think about Nintendo's showing at E3. Part of me thinks that they should of said/shown nothing about the Revolution. Especially since it is not ready, and there are no games to show with it. I will agree that I like the design of the system over the PS3 and 360 if only for it's size. It looks to be that we can now jest that the PS3 is XBOX huge.

I think we have a large waiting game on our hands.


69. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:19 PM ET by ME

Um, I'm lost. I was looking for a Revolution. Revolution? Okay SOMETHING NEW? No? You mean that black box with the light? No, that's a Nightlight! Stop being silly.....I'll go and ask MS and Sony then.

70. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:24 PM ET by Digital Ruse

It gets worse:



71. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:38 PM ET by [THE]

I tend to think the revolution will be price. Just looking at the Specs for the X-Box 360 and PS3, you now they'r going to cost a bundle. MS was already rumored to be talking about initial price point of $399, instead of the normal $299 price of next-gen gaming systems.

So while the PS3 and 360 have the stats to make Nintendo cry, I think it might be Nintendo laughing all the way to the bank with a $249 or less launch price for the Revolution. Especially if Nintendo delivers with a launch lineup of great games.

72. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:51 PM ET by Boilermaker

Alright, I just want to put my two cents in the Nintendo has made a brilliant move and the rev will end sitting next to many ps3/xbox360s. I think that the gaming industry has grown so large that there are now two distict markets that can be compared to the hollywood and television markets. One is akin to hollywood and features big budget games similar to motion pictures. The other features simpler yet still entertaining games and a large back catalog that appeals to a wider audience and is akin to the television industry. What Nintendo has done is made a play for an entirely different market and has positioned itself as a potential market leader. Hence the Revolution is the realization of a new market.

73. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:55 PM ET by Boilermaker

I cant imagine revolution not supporting hdtv output as the article from 66. says. The gamecube even supports some hdtv output if you buy the optiional video plugs. Perhaps they are just not requireing their games to be HD.

74. Posted May 17, 2005, 6:59 PM ET by Boilermaker

I think that one more reason Nintendo is going for a smaller less powered unit is that they plan on releasing a portable version.

75. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:02 PM ET by WallyG

I agree with #67. The 360 and PS3 might be more powerful, but how much money will you have to shell out just to buy the console? (Will you have enough money left to buy a game to go with it?)

Anyhoo, I hope Nintendo does have something revolutionary up their sleeve. Good graphics are great, but I remember playing on the old school systems and having a blast. By the way, that will be cool to be able to play old games on the revolution.

Well, enough of my babbling.

76. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:06 PM ET by Tom T.

From looking at N64 and Gamecube you can make some reasonable guesses at what to expect in terms of games from Revolution:

From Nintendo you will probably get (based on N64 and Gamecube): 2 Zelda games, 2 Metroid games, 1 or 2 Mario games (hopefully better than the one for Gamecube), 1 or 2 Pikmin games, 1 or 2 Star Fox games, 1 or 2 Mario Party games, 1 or 2 Donkey Kong games, Mario Kart Online, Super Smash Bros. Online, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles Online, and more.

There will probably be a couple good 3rd party games (hopefully more than a couple).

Plus downloadable access to N64, SNES, and NES games.

Is all that worth $199-$250?

77. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:18 PM ET by OddManOut

To: "Monmin"

Nice 'rant', insightful and well thought out. I tend to agree that the PS3 aside from looking ugly (IMHO) physically does seem like it might have a case of S.A.K.S. (Swiss Army Knife Syndrome). But if the most common features are the most visible and the easiest to get to, it might be OK. Accept for the fact that you WILL be paying for a bunch of stuff you don't want and would never use. Good show chap!

To: 'Jeff'

Nice rebuttle/contrasting viewpoint to 'Monmin' (see children...people CAN disagree amicably enough). While I've already stated I agree with 'Monmin' in a lot of ways, you make a good point that even though the numbers seem odd, if used cleverly the PS3 might actually be offering more 'innovation' than this so called 'Revolution' we've been hearing about.
I think the 2 screens/2 teams notion you purport will almost certainly be implemented at some point or another, but I still think having your OWN display (ie everyone has their one CPU et al) is the prefered method of multiplay. And for my money I'd probably rather do it over the net, or at least over a LAN. The thought of 7 rowdy guys crammed into one room playing video football is just a little disturbing. But I have one question

"2 football teams playing the same game on 2 separate TV's, each with their own view of the action away from the other - so no cheating. Add online into the mix for a full 11 on 11 free-for-all with combined mixed online and on-site teams, all on one system.)"

If you 'Add online into the mix for a full 11 on 11' aren't you then actually involving more than one system ? I think this is why 7 controllers sounded odd to 'Monmin' It doesn't divide well for team play unless it's some kind of RPG with a 'storyteller' or a referee character or somthing. And 3 gigabit connections. I am a gadget freak like many in here and I really don't get why you'd need three. Most of my computers at home have 3 to 4 TCP/IP based interfaces of one type or another, but I rarely use them all at the same time (maybe 2 at a time for ICS or to have my machine function as a bridge or access point). All I can think of is maybe you're supposed to daisy-chain them in a closed loop and then connect one of the them to the internet or to another separate daisy chain of PS3s. Or create a tree structure or something...a cluster maybe ?. But why do that if ONE PS3 is so powerful ?

I guess only time will tell...

Thanks to you both for entertaining reads!

78. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:32 PM ET by Digi Smalls

yep no HD support...I'm afraid it's official. Nintendo has gone niche.

Speculation: the Revolution will be smaller than what was shown, because it will have a SCREEN on the side. It will be it's own controller (tilt) whether it's connected to a TV or not. 2x Cube power is about right. Nintendo has been forced to compete in the only place it can.

79. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:37 PM ET by aaron

in my case it goes like this:
always been a nintendo fan. i bought an xbox over the playstation simply because the xbox has better graphics...

i was dissapointed to see the new zelda trailer since the graphics look to me like they belong more to the nintendo 64 than they do to the now-a-days generation consoles

nintendo has great themed games... xbox and sony have some really awesome graphics and games

i'm a little saddened by the fact that nintendo seems to have given up and they know they'll be 3rd place from now on so they dont put as much of a r&d as the other two, which really sucks because i can only imagine how it would be to play zelda if it graphics were like halo

i'll still buy the xbox 360 and i'll wait to get the revolution next spring

i think the competition now is xbox vs sony in the living room with nintendo a secure 3rd and nintendo vs sony for 1st and 2nd in the handheld videogames

that's just me though so we'll see what happens

80. Posted May 17, 2005, 7:56 PM ET by ssjowowo

#73 i don't know if you are blind or something but have a look at the zelda pics again and then look at the trailer. there is NO current generation game that has the graphics zelda has. not even halo!! come on now be serious! and even if it looked like a n64 game, i'm sure it would still rock hard because zelda games are all about creating the perfect atmosphere and having the perfect playability factor/storyline. simply put, they are the best games out there

81. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:03 PM ET by rye&ginger

Looks good. Console generation changes make it a level playing field for all participants...history shows us that. The best console will come out on top, and 3 is better than one or two.

82. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:13 PM ET by J

My Predictions for this console cycle:
PS3-Diadvantage of releasing after 360 offset by the fact that almost everyone who bought a PS2 will probably get a PS3.
-More processing power a big boost as games and features upstage 360.
-Overall-Sells more than 360 but not by the big margin they had before.

360-Jump start helps sales as was the case with PS2.
-XBOX Live keeps consumers interested even as PS3 releases.
-Manages to steal some PS3 thunder with more third-party releases.
-Overall comes in second.

Revolution-What Nintendo bills as Revolutionary ends up being a gimmicky controller. Consumers unimpressed.
-Lacking both processing power and third-party support system still hangs on because everyone will buy it just because of brand-recognition.
-Overall it ends up a far distant third.

83. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:16 PM ET by jay

So the "revolution" is actually retro gaming huh? Well I guess you can just upload all those old roms (probably buy them from the nintentdo site) and download it on the flash merory or SD card (too bad no hard drive). Will a lot of people buy this idea?

Well this is actually a good money-making scheme for Nintendo. Even if the machine does not sell well, they will still earn a hefty amount of money for sure since they're also reviving and reselling the old classic games in the process (without any additional programming costs and tie-ups with developers). A lot of people are still into retrogaming like myself.

84. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:19 PM ET by jay

Just to add, Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Xbox and PS... they'll just build a niche market for themselves. I forsee that the revolution will still be found the living rooms of people who already own Xboxes and Playstations.

85. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:23 PM ET by Mr.Blonde

what I like about the gamecube is that it is small, portable and fun. with the revolution there isn't the same feel. that feels more cool, more sinister like it can kick some ass and it will. release dates: nintendo have stated that they will release it before the ps3 so thats good news, compatible with the ds and usb support. sounds good to me. the truth is that no-one knows what nintendo are doing or planning, an on console display would be excellent making it portable. best thing to do it ignore ps3, sit back and wait to see what the big N do, when the do it it'll be great.

86. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:28 PM ET by Adam

I have slowly moved away from Nintendo over the years, but that is definitely a great idea by them and a nice-looking system.

Also, i think the Xbox and PS2 fans (including myself) are getting too caught up on specs. I think we've basically gotten to the point where the improvement of graphics in games is going to be much, much slower than in the past because the game developers aren't going to put up the money/resources/time to make a game super realistic (even if they have the hardware to support it) because they won't be able to make a profit. In the end, the winner of this generation will be whoever has the best gameplay.

87. Posted May 17, 2005, 8:29 PM ET by Mr.Blonde

oh yes, third party nintendo needs lots on board, with this generation acclaim stopped making games for the gamecube then went bust, free-radicals love nintendo so all their games should come out through EA, and Sega are on-board steady drip of games being released is the key, the DS in the uk doesn't have this yet and needs it before september

88. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:00 PM ET by TrUgAmEr

I have to admit that the Revolution is one sexy looking piece of equipment!Now on to more important and realistic things.I have a couple theories on the next gen.The Revolution, i find it to be a problem that Nintendo stated that it will only be 2 to 3 times more powerful then the Gamecube.Why is that a problem?Cuz the Xbox360 will be 15 to 16 times more powerful then the Xbox.Do keep in mind that the Xbox is currently the best looking, graphicly speaking, system to date(that we can play)!But if u think about it, Toys r us has stated that the next wave of games will be from around 50 to 70 dollars per game....now 50 i can understand, but 70!Stick the game up ur ass.Why will games be so expensive, because of the new technology!Everythign is going HD, the new graphic engines will require more money to makes games that look as sharp as possible.If it takes a develpoer 1 million dollars to make a game now, for the next wav eit will be 2 million and so on.Now back to the Revolution.Being that it will probably be less powerful then the Ps3 and Xbox360 it might get loved because it will be easier ato make games and it will require less money.To the consumer this will be Heaven....new games with hot new graphics for the same price that we pay now!Now it sounds good in theory but wut if this turns out to be disaster.Third parties already seem to be turning down the Revolution and they seem to love the Xbox360....

89. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:03 PM ET by TrUgAmEr

and Ps3....but the fact that the revolution is less powerful might turn them off....imagine porting an amazing HD game to the Revolution....i see it as a waste of time and money...and graphics arent the only thing...but u gotta keep up wit the competition if u wanna be a contender

90. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:21 PM ET by RogueFace

To everyone whining (or bitching or flaming) about Nintendo's lack of an amazing press conference, think about it for a second. A number of people have already made this point, but here I go again.

Nintendo isn't ready yet. The images shown of the Revolution are prototypes, and the final design will likely change, and will for sure be smaller yet.

Backward compatability all the way to the NES is an amazing thing. It's not revolutionary, but I don't think anyone is actually under the impression that this was *the* big thing. Anyone who actually owned an NES back in the day knows how much fun it's gonna be to sit around the TV with friends and play some Contra, or Gauntlet, or Bomberman or whatever. There were some great games made for the NES, some even better games for the SNES. And more importantly, more of the games made back then were fun, because they had to be. At least half of today's games are crap, but, hey, at least they're *pretty* crap. Graphics aren't everything. Look at Zelda: Four Sword Adventures. I'd be perfectly happy if every game on the Rev was 2D, as long as they were all fun.

And as far as what the revolution is, everyone seems to be looking to E3 2006, but who's to say the Big N won't hold Spaceworld this year, and show it off there? Sure, we haven't had one since, what, 2001? But who cares? They could do it, and it wouldn't suprise me at all.

I've owned every nintendo system but the Virtual Boy (which everyone can pretty much agree was crap). Nintendo has yet to disappoint me, and I don't expect them to this time around.

91. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:28 PM ET by amiga_tone

"Games created for two next-generation consoles - the Xbox 360 from Microsoft and the PlayStation 3 from Sony - will display video in wide-screen high-definition format if the console is connected to a high-definition TV. Only Nintendo's entry, code-named Revolution, will not cater to HDTV's"

Okay so how many people out there have a HDTV? Cause the XBox 360 and PS3 will only play HD games when connected to a HDTV. What happens to those games when connected to a standard def TV? WIll they work at all?

92. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:32 PM ET by revo all t3h way

PS3 will clearly be the most powerful system, and revo will be the least, but Revo will be the best for games!

93. Posted May 17, 2005, 9:35 PM ET by El_Maestro

From what I have read (and I read the whole blog), most people seem to think A) Revolution will be like the Gamecube was (uncompetitive in the long run, due to lack of appeal and third party support), or B) Revolution will be the weakest of the systems, technically, and go spinning down the toilet.

To address that first view. When the Gamecube was released, it seemed as likely a competitor as either the PS2 or Xbox. It has lost out, I think, in terms of third party support and appeal. Nintendo itself has some great games: Zelda, Metroid, etc. Playstation and Microsoft also have some great games: Grand Theft Auto, Halo and Doom III, respectively. Why has Nintendo lost out? Well, my mantra has become that as the gamers mature, so must the games. Do you, as a teenager or adult, still play with plushie dolls, mega blox or snakes and ladders? I hope not. Herein lies the loss of appeal: Nintendo has been the slowest to move it's ass and keep up with the interests of video game buyers. The Revolution? Well, I think Nintendo know all the above facts as well as we do, and will have to act accordingly so as to keep their head above water.

Now for the second issue. I personally find it impossible to believe that any one console will absoultely sweep the floor with the others. All three systems, I think, will be competitive and powerful when they hit the market. People are saying that because it is small, the Revolution will be technically inferior to the PS3 and Xbox. Why should it be? Laptops can exceed standard PCs in terms of power- admitedly, at a price. And gigahertz isn't everything- I think it's the games that will determine the popularity of the system. Sadly, a lot of people might not be able to see further than the tech specs, and buy a system just on which box has the biggest numbers on it.

Here is something from http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the
device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2GHz, giving the whole system 2 teraflops of overall performance. It will sport 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and it will have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700MHz.

Impressive, yes. I must admit I'm a little worried that with such a powerful system an impressive number of good games, the PS3 might knock off the Revolution- and the 360. So Nintendo and Microsoft will have to up the ante. Oh, sorry- didn't I say something like that already?

I'm going to close this with a cheesy saying: don't judge a book by it's cover. Now, replace "book" with "console" and replace "cover" with "outside."

94. Posted May 17, 2005, 10:00 PM ET by Dave

This is sad... I grew up with Nintendo. This is like watching a lame horse just before they put it down. Not only are they developing a weaker console, it looks Nintendo will get it to market after everyone else. Maybe they will continue to market to the under 12 crowd with their game selection and leave the cutting edge development to Sony and Microsoft.

95. Posted May 17, 2005, 10:38 PM ET by elflaco

will it be backwards compatible with previous gameboy games too, that would be cool too

96. Posted May 17, 2005, 10:39 PM ET by Brett

Does anyone else find this comment from the official nintendo site interesting:

Freedom of design: A dynamic development architecture equally accommodates both big-budget, high-profile game “masterpieces” as well as indie games conceived by individual developers equipped with only a big idea.

Uhh... INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS? WTF? Something tells me "third-party" support is gonna be all over this.


97. Posted May 17, 2005, 11:18 PM ET by jay

Yeah it would be fun to see small-time developers create their own cheesy(?) games that sell for just less than $10 (or maybe shareware or freeware). This is actually happenning in the PDA and mobile phone gaming market already, why not console gaming as well?

98. Posted May 17, 2005, 11:21 PM ET by jay

Yeah it would be fun to see small-time developers create their own cheesy(?) games that sell for just less than $10 (or maybe shareware or freeware). This is actually happenning in the PDA and mobile phone gaming market already, why not console gaming as well?

99. Posted May 17, 2005, 11:37 PM ET by Martha Stuart

From Everything I heard this is what I think.

Will prevail over the 360.
Have a lot of games that are really high quality.
Will do bad in the beginning because of cost but sales will get higher as it's life goes by

Xbox 360:
Will do good in the beggining but sales will drop.
Will get good 3rd party support.

Will be more powerful than people think it is like what happened with the gamecube.
Will get amazing third party support because it is the most easy to develop for.
The new control will be really good.
Lower cost will help sales.
Attracts old school gamers because of bckwards compatibility.

I think with everything bieng said the Rev. sill come slightly ahead of the PS3 with Xbox 360 in last.

100. Posted May 17, 2005, 11:57 PM ET by tim

[summary - I will buy a PS3 for gt5, a revo for zelda and maybe a 360 when halo3 comes out/is good.]

My 3 cents.

I have all three sytems right now and a medium power pc.

I dont buy every good game that comes out for every system.
halo 1 2, gt4 gt3, rez, gta, katamari (that game with the kid who has horns and you have to
escape a castle???)
zelda, metroid and halflife 2.

For next gen I will have even less time to play games (getting old). I just want GranTurismo 5,
Zelda, and a couple of deceptivley simple games
like katamari.

oh and I need to buy an hdtv.
We are too spoiled for choice.


101. Posted May 18, 2005, 1:22 AM ET by Armen


Nintendo.com listed the downloadable abilities as "The Secret Weapon." Is this the revolutionary aspect? What does this mean?!

102. Posted May 18, 2005, 1:57 AM ET by Joe

mmmmmmmm..... Ok, here is my opinion on what I have seen so far:

1."Revolution"? well, maybe the controllers, cuz the system just doesn't convince me.

2. The design? who cares?!? it could look like a vibrator, a fridge, cheap, plasticky, unsexy, a zip drive, you name it, it doesn't matter!

3. PS3? Wooooooow! that is alot, and I mean alot of balls, massive power specs(is it really necessary though?) Controller should soon make its debut in Naughty Girls 6, or is it 7?

4. XBox360? I think it is just right with the power, 13-15 times more powerful seems good enough for this generation. Controller is ugly. The game trailers looked sweeeeet! Most impressed! MTV SUCKS:)

5. Any concerns? mmmm, yes, I am a little worried of Revolution staying soooo far behind in horsepower, it should notch it up at least to 10 times more powerful than the Cube.

Well, my fellow gamers and friends, that is it for now, laters!

103. Posted May 18, 2005, 4:41 AM ET by Richard

Okay, first of all I own an Xbox. I don't really think of myself as a fanboy for any brand, but I do have a soft spot for the underdog (like most Americans).

I think the Revolution is the most reasonable design if you're talking about mainstream response. The PS3 and 360 designs don't compliment other A/V equipment but this does. Now you can argue that most A/V equipment is boring to look at, but it's what you'll find in most homes. Who cares if a box isn't a groundbreaking shape? I think it looks nice. I personally think that all consoles will look like this as gaming and its potential become more accepted. I like customization, but I want a shape that compliments the rest of my components. Maybe console designers will borrow from PC's and offer several case options.

I agree that the "revolution" will probably be in how the games are controlled, but that's actually not so good for Nintendo. You really have to feel a controller to know if it'll work out, and Nintendo is already seen as being on the fringe; if the Revolution's controller is too weird looking it may be offputting. People might not even try it out. As PS3 commentors on this site have shown, an odd looking controller can turn people off before they even try it. On the other hand, an odd controller may make people more curious.

I like the HDTV support (1080i/p, 16:9 aspect) of the PS3 and 360 since it not only gives HDTV owners like me more bragging rights but also gives consumers more reason to uprgrade from SD. I'll be dissapointed in Nintendo if they don't follow suit.

104. Posted May 18, 2005, 5:05 AM ET by John

I see the 360 and PS3 doing very similar things with very powerful systems and better graphics/processing power.

If... IF the Revolution control scheme turns out to be fun, different and worthwhile, I think it could be pretty successful since:

The system will likely cost less than the other systems.

If the control scheme truly lets you play games in new, more interactive ways it could be pretty fun, like for example lets say http://www.nicholasroussos.com/2005/05/nintendo-wild-specula
this speculation turned out to be fairly on the money. Actually punching in boxing games, pointing the controller in FPS etc. It could certainly bring in "non-gamers" as well because of a more simplified, interactive control scheme.

The ability to play old NES games and up may also appeal to "non-gamers" because I've heard many people (especially older people) say they "could play (insert ancient game here) but nothing complex thats out now"

The control scheme, if successful, could mean a difference in gameplay thats worth checking out even if you already owned PS3 and 360.

I think this is what Nintendo is banking on, imagine if they had no other tricks up their sleeves, I think the system would undoubtedly get rolled over by the competition badly and mainly sell to the very faithful for the first party games.

105. Posted May 18, 2005, 5:09 AM ET by ill trooper

Everyone please stop. You are making E3 week sooooo annoying, talking like you actually know anything about industrial design or acting like you are some sort of psychic able to tell a machine's strengths and limits FROM A PHOTO... God we all know no one cares what a box looks like: The hands-down ugly champ, the original XBox, became popular this last year... So go figure. Worst design ever and it's great for games...

All three of these machines look powerful. Give it a rest, fanboys. Just be excited that these things are coming out for us to buy! Pick which one you like and be patient or buy them all like a pimp!

106. Posted May 18, 2005, 6:07 AM ET by iiago

t's pretty obvious there's a lot of angry people out there at the anti-climax to Nintendo's show, but after thinking about it, we shouldn't be suprised.

What did all the official press-releases from Nintendo say regarding E3 2005? No revolution. We'll show a bit of it, but we won't show you the full deal.

All they did was say "here's the prototype, this is what we're thinking, watch this space". Which if you think about it is a pretty standard move - What did Sony say about PSP 2 years before it's release? "we're making a handheld. It looks something like this". That's exactly what Nintendo have done here. We're just pissed off because we were hoping (thanks to the rumour mill) that we'd see the whole kit and kaboodle.

And it's a smart move by Nintendo - you don't hype something years before the public see it, otherwise no-one gives a damn anymore when it actually arrives (Just ask Romero about Daikatana). Unveiling the revolution now would be like Microsoft having its MTV shindig this time last year.

I bet Nintendo aren't going to talk much about Revolution until E3 2006, when they'll hype it beyond belief. The plan will be that the momentum from the hype will still be present when then thing goes on the market, so that the hype turns into SALES (whether it works is another question...).

For Sony and Nintendo to be show off specs at this point is just the technological equivalent of comparing penises.

107. Posted May 18, 2005, 8:13 AM ET by Mr.Blonde

I still can't believe how sony would design something so atrocious and ugly, Nintendo will probably hold the release shindig (similar to the 360) later in the year.

108. Posted May 18, 2005, 10:48 AM ET by mk613

why does everyone have to keep bringing up "Revolution will be 2 to 3 times as powerful as the Gamecube. By comparison 360 is 10 to 15 times more powerful than the Xbox and PS3 is 30 times more powerful then PS2."

We all should know that MS and Sony are exaggerating the power of their machines. At least Nintendo is being realistic.
. I mean look at what Sony said about the Ps2 before it was released. they said it could pull off Toy Story like graphics. Did it ever?? I don't think so. One thing everyone needs to understand it's not all about the horsepower it's about the quality of games. You don't need the prettiest graphics to make a good game, does it help sure but thats not what should totally matter and unfortunately there are many people who will see the statements about how much more powerful the other systems are and totally write off Nintendo and sorry to tell them but they will be missing out. Now i own all 3 systems and i'll probably own these next 3 so if any goes off and calls me a fanboy, then i guess i am i'm a videogame fan boy.

109. Posted May 18, 2005, 10:55 AM ET by Ean Frick

Hey kids, it's not about specs. How many of you loved pitfall? Anyone have fun playing O.G. tetris? How bout pong? Who likes pac-man? Anyone spend hours playing snake on a nokia? It matters what you do with the system, not how many processors it has. The proof is in the pudding.

110. Posted May 18, 2005, 11:40 AM ET by Nick Circosta

Its history repeating its self all over again :(
Microsoft useing proven technology
Sony makeing alogations that cant be proven untill we actually SEE the console
Both companies tring to put as much as posible into there consoles
and good old nintendo staying true to one thing "Game"
I like most people over the 5 years current consoles life have purchesed all 3 and as far as i can tell i still get the most enjoyment out of my gamecube . I get more enjoyment out of playing a voice game in mario party 6 then shooting an alien in Halo 2 and running a man over in san adraes. so what do i think??? nintendo has got a few more tricks up its sleve and lets face it if the revolution retails for less then the PS3 and x360 witch one do you think is going to sell more ???

Its not brain surgery


111. Posted May 18, 2005, 11:51 AM ET by ++good

20 years worth of video games in one console? That's an enormous library!!! Talk about backwards compatible! I can stop looking for old SNES, N64, and GameBoy ROMS! This is exactly what i've been looking for. And new games to boot! And the best part is i don't have to try and find, or wait for the games to become available, or worry about losing them. I only wish it had a bigger internal memory.

Who cares what it looks like? My PS2 hides in a cabinet, it's the games i'm intersted in, some of the old classics have better game play than todays eye candy.

Movies? I already have 3 DVD players i don't want/need another one.

The PS3 is still my #1 pick, but wow, make this thing cheap enough, and you've just made me buy two consoles.

Just one question, how many "arcade classics" do you still play?

112. Posted May 18, 2005, 12:44 PM ET by Ryan

are you kidding me? its a slanted box you think its the nicest of the three next gen's? Nintendo's new system is called the Revolution. I was most eager to see this system over the other two because I was expecting Nintendo to pull out all the stops on this thing. There is nothing there at all that grabs my attention. What a led CD tray grabs ure attention? come on. This system I will not be buying.

113. Posted May 18, 2005, 4:53 PM ET by jb

If the stuff about Rev only being slightly more powerful than the Cube is true, it looks like Nintendo has pretty much given up trying to compete in the mainstream anymore, and I don't understand.

I've been a Nintendo fan since NES, and with the exception of a Genesis I had for a few months, I've only ever owned Nintendo consoles. Thing is, I've gotten really fed up with them in the past few years. Not only was third party support for the N64 bad, support for the Cube has really dropped off. It's frustrating to see ads for tons of new software, only to find out it's not available for Gamecube. It's as if the Cube were technically incapable of running current software or something, even though it's more powerful than PS2. Add to this the fact that Nintendo hasn't been doing the best job on software itself, either. Some of their new games are good, but a lot of them are rehashes of old franchises that really don't offer any anything new. Then there's the Mario series, which has been Nintendo's icon and my favorite. In the past eight years(!) there has been exactly one(1) new Mario adventure game, and it wasn't even up to the standards of the previous games in the series.

Now comes their new strategy, which started with the DS. Apparently they've decided for some strange reason that they either can't or won't compete in regards to hardware and are instead going to focus on strange new control schemes. Ever since I heard about the DS, I though it was a bad idea, and I still do. Two screens are not better than one, since you can always do the same thing with one larger screen and your eyes can only focus on one at a time anyway. The touch control is novel, but other than being good for camera movement and menu navigation, is only really good for games in which you want to manipulate objects on-screen. This property has facilitated a couple of interesting interactive-toy type games like Nintendogs and Electroplankton, but mostly seems to be used for minigames and games using indirect and limiting control methods like Touch and Go. In some cases, the touch screen is only used to simulate an analog controller (which should have been included anyway) if at all. Apparently, though, Nintendo thinks that touch-screen control is the most important thing, even though the PSP is getting better developer support and (according to review scores) higher-quality games.

Nintendo now seems to have adopted this new strategy in regards to Revolution, and it makes even less sense. I don't believe that they can't build hardware comparable to PS3 and 360. Gamecube's hardware was close to XBOX's and superior to PS2's, while at the same time significantly smaller and cheaper than either of them. A system that is far technically inferior will only enforce the "kiddy" stereotype, decrease developer and consumer interest, and alienate developers even further by making it difficult or impossible to port their next-gen games to the system.

I can think of three scenarios of how Nintendo might have arrived at this strategy:

1. They are so self-absorbed and ignorant that they really don't care what is going on in the rest of the industry, and will continue to do things their own way.

2. They aware of what's going on, but they're proud and stubborn enough to think that they will win over Sony and Microsoft with their new strategy because "they're Nintendo"

3. They're aware of what's going on, and have decided to give up on the mainstream market and try to carve out a little niche of their own, consisting of kids, people who don't play games much, and fans of their old games.

I'm thinking 3 could be it, but in any event, the whole brand loyalty thing for me has worn a little thin. I've enjoyed some of Nintendo's games in the past, but I can't live in the past.

If, in the future, I want a new console to play new mainstream games on, I'll probably get a Sony or Microsoft box. If Nintendo puts out some good games and their hardware goes cheap, I might pick up something of theirs in the future, but if not, I won't.

114. Posted May 18, 2005, 6:05 PM ET by np

Ok will you guys just stop? Just stop? Theres just no way to judge the Revolution yet because we DON'T EVEN HAVE A FINAL DESIGN FOR IT. This arguement can wait untill we get more details on the revolution. And my 2 cents are that if Nintendo waits for the 2006 E3 they'll have it all to themselves. That will give them a huge boast in sales. Their 2006 E3 battle cry will be Revolution, and with no other next-gen consoles to compete with it, it will own the floor. Just my thoughts.

115. Posted May 18, 2005, 10:32 PM ET by ghosT

i def agree with 113. you guys need to just chill. you have NO IDEA what Nintendo might be doin, NO IDEA what the new revolution might be, and NO IDEA what its goin to look like. they tossed up that rough sketch to keep the ppl interested in their upcoming release, which will bring E3 to the ground. also, its not that theyre arrogant or self-absorbed or proud or stubborn: maybe they just dont want to whore themselves to the public by giving away the entire machine's specs. step off the revolution til you have more info on it than this piece of a photo they decided to bait us with.

o, and btw, the new xbox looks like crap, altho im not sayin this concept pic is lookin too much better. i saw another pic (may have been fake) of the revolution that looked a lot like a bulky cd player (probly was fake come to think of it). the ps3 is ok at best.

also, i heard by december of next year, ppl will start replacing their computers with the new xboxs. sounds like bullsh!t to me, but thats just my opinion....

116. Posted May 18, 2005, 10:48 PM ET by Rob

It looks like an external hard drive or zip drive or something!

117. Posted May 19, 2005, 4:04 AM ET by Nogs

Best looking console? Ick. As others have said, it looks like an external firewire drive or a CD burner or something.

I think the Xbox 360 has the award for "Best new console design" so far.

118. Posted May 19, 2005, 8:42 AM ET by iiago

One's a convex box.
One's a concave box.
One's a box box.

I don't think there's much distinction in the looks department this generation.

119. Posted May 19, 2005, 9:27 AM ET by steve

suck my balls. have you even played the PS3 yet? oh, wait, let me answer that for you...NO...you can eat my ass. keep your mouth shut until you play a ps3 and get severely disappointed...lame ass. not only have you never played a ps3, but you haven't played a revolution either. when you do, tou can talk to me...by the by...i do beleive this is a nintendo forum, though it may contain OPINIONS about other systems and nintendo. please notice the manner in which i capitalized "opinions". you stated your opinions as fact. bad boy. didn't your mommy ever tell you not to fuck with me?

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